emcdo…@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu ("Bob" Ghengis Kahn) writes:
> One thing I keep hearing over and over again is this constant
> bitching about breast cancer!
It is not at all uncommon for people to post when they haven’t a clue
what they are talking about, but this is absolutely the most ignorant
thing I have ever read on Usenet.
> Why in the hell is breast cancer portrayed as worse than any other
> cancer in the world?
It is the most diagnosed cancer, and the second most fatal for women [2].
> I’m sick of hearing women moaning, ‘Dear God! I’d rather die than
> lose a breast!’ Tough shit.
Guess what, asshole, a lot of them don’t have a choice. In 1991 (the
most recent year I have figures for) over 43,000 women died of breast
cancer in this country [2].
> Although I feel that breast cancer is a truly bad thing to have around
Really going out on a limb there, aren’t you?
> I just want some of these liberals to remember that there are other
> cancers just as bad.
Sure. There are some that are more deadly per-individual, but there
is only one that kills more people (lung cancer), and that is largely
preventable [1].
> There are cancers that hit only men
Primarily prostate cancer.
Under the age of 65, 22.7 out of 100,000 men get prostate cancer each
year and 2.9 out of 100,000 die from it. [1]
In the same age group, 72.1 out of 100,000 women get breast cancer
each year and 16.7 out of 100,000 die from it. [1]
Looking at the two most common gender-specific cancers, women are 3
times more likely to get theirs and nearly 6 times as likely to die
from it.
Those stats are averaged from 1973 to 1990. If we look only at 1991,
109 out of 100,000 women got breast cancer and 27 out of 100,000 died
of it. [2]
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[1] NCI SEER Cancer Statistics Review 1973-1990
[2] "Vital statistics mortality data, underlying cause of death,
1980-1991", US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health
Service, CDC.)
snyd…@ucsuc.Colorado.EDU (SNYDER ELLEN R) writes:
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> Nils Nieuwejaar <n…@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >Under the age of 65, 22.7 out of 100,000 men get prostate cancer each
> >year and 2.9 out of 100,000 die from it. [1]
> >In the same age group, 72.1 out of 100,000 women get breast cancer
> >each year and 16.7 out of 100,000 die from it. [1]
> >Looking at the two most common gender-specific cancers, women are 3
> >times more likely to get theirs and nearly 6 times as likely to die
> >from it.
> This is a bit misleading though, because prostate cancer tends to hit a
> decade or so later than breast cancer and you have ever so conviently
> limited to under age 65.
That is true. I wasn’t trying to claim that prostate cancer isn’t a
serious problem. I was just pointing out that it is foolish to
suggest that breast cancer isn’t a serious problem. If I were really
trying to be misleading, I could have just neglected to mention the
age cutoff altogether.
In article <NILS.94Nov11124…@lompico.dartmouth.edu>,
Nils Nieuwejaar <n…@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>Under the age of 65, 22.7 out of 100,000 men get prostate cancer each
>year and 2.9 out of 100,000 die from it. [1]
>In the same age group, 72.1 out of 100,000 women get breast cancer
>each year and 16.7 out of 100,000 die from it. [1]
>Looking at the two most common gender-specific cancers, women are 3
>times more likely to get theirs and nearly 6 times as likely to die
>from it.
This is a bit misleading though, because prostate cancer tends to hit a
decade or so later than breast cancer and you have ever so conviently
limited to under age 65. It is true that it is worse to die younger than
to die older, so in that sense on average breast cancer is "worse" but
your last statement here is baldly misleading because of the age cut off
you used.
-Steve "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics" Dunn
I do think it is silly to argue which cancer is the worst. The important
thing is to support additional research on the basic science of cancer so
that the findings can be applied to all these diseases. I would also
like to add that if you are diagnosed with a rare form of cancer, all the
statistics in the world are not going to be of comfort.
Not only that; it is counter productive to get into my disease versus your
disease discussions. Prostate cancer is the 2nd leading cause of cancer death
in men. This year 200,000 will be diagnosed and 40,000 will die of it. The
trend is upward (based on rate, not numbers) and more younger men are being
found with it. The younger men typically have much more aggressive cases and
are more likely to die from it. No matter how one analyzes the situation,
research on the causes, detection, evaluation, and treatment is painfully
under funded. At minimum we need a required national registry of prostate
cancer patients to track the progress of their survival. Men need to learn
from the women about how to get political attention for this funding. I had
PCa at the age of 49. My Mother is undergoing chemo for breast cancer even as
we speak. The two diseases are linked and have many similarities.
In article <3a33vd$…@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> snyd…@ucsuc.Colorado.EDU
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(SNYDER ELLEN R) writes:>From: snyd…@ucsuc.Colorado.EDU (SNYDER ELLEN R)
>Subject: Re: Breast Cancer Mortality Compared to Prostate Cancer Mortality
>Date: 12 Nov 1994 19:10:37 GMT
>In article <NILS.94Nov11124…@lompico.dartmouth.edu>,
>Nils Nieuwejaar <n…@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>Under the age of 65, 22.7 out of 100,000 men get prostate cancer each
>>year and 2.9 out of 100,000 die from it. [1]
>>In the same age group, 72.1 out of 100,000 women get breast cancer
>>each year and 16.7 out of 100,000 die from it. [1]
>>Looking at the two most common gender-specific cancers, women are 3
>>times more likely to get theirs and nearly 6 times as likely to die
>>from it.
>This is a bit misleading though, because prostate cancer tends to hit a
>decade or so later than breast cancer and you have ever so conviently
>limited to under age 65. It is true that it is worse to die younger than
>to die older, so in that sense on average breast cancer is "worse" but
>your last statement here is baldly misleading because of the age cut off
>you used.
> -Steve "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics" Dunn
In article <3ah6ih$…@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> snyd…@ucsuc.Colorado.EDU (SNYDER ELLEN R) writes:
>So the big picture is that breast and prostate cancer are similar in
>mortality and incidence, but that somewhat more years are probably lost
>to breast cancer due to the earlier age at diagnosis. Overall, they are
>remarkably similar in ‘badness’ I’d say though not in publicity!
Yes. I once saw a presentation which cited the federal research funding per
case for the two cancers. In 1994, the NCI funded $1,437 per case for breast
cancer and $303 per case for prostate cancer.
–
Michael Kattan — Baylor College of Medicine — One Baylor Plaza — ST1035
Houston, TX 77030 — (713) 798-8263 — Fax 798-5553 — MKat…@bcm.tmc.edu
==
In article <3a33vd$…@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> snyd…@ucsuc.Colorado.EDU (SNYDER ELLEN R) writes:
>Nils Nieuwejaar <n…@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>Under the age of 65, 22.7 out of 100,000 men get prostate cancer each
>>year and 2.9 out of 100,000 die from it. [1]
>>In the same age group, 72.1 out of 100,000 women get breast cancer
>>each year and 16.7 out of 100,000 die from it. [1]
>>Looking at the two most common gender-specific cancers, women are 3
>>times more likely to get theirs and nearly 6 times as likely to die
>>from it.
>This is a bit misleading though, because prostate cancer tends to hit a
>decade or so later than breast cancer and you have ever so conviently
>limited to under age 65. It is true that it is worse to die younger than
>to die older, so in that sense on average breast cancer is "worse" but
>your last statement here is baldly misleading because of the age cut off
>you used.
The latest numbers I have seen are 200,000 new cases/yr for prostate and
182,000 new cases/yr for breast. 38,000 deaths/yr prostate and 46,000
deaths/yr breast. 5 yr. relative survival rate for prostate is 77%, 79% for
breast. And median age at diagnosis for prostate is 72 yr., 64 yr. for breast.
–
Michael Kattan — Baylor College of Medicine — One Baylor Plaza — ST1035
Houston, TX 77030 — (713) 798-8263 — Fax 798-5553 — MKat…@bcm.tmc.edu
==
In article <MKattan.8.013C3…@bcm.tmc.edu>,
Michael Kattan <MKat…@bcm.tmc.edu> wrote:
>The latest numbers I have seen are 200,000 new cases/yr for prostate and
>182,000 new cases/yr for breast. 38,000 deaths/yr prostate and 46,000
>deaths/yr breast. 5 yr. relative survival rate for prostate is 77%, 79% for
>breast. And median age at diagnosis for prostate is 72 yr., 64 yr. for breast.
So the big picture is that breast and prostate cancer are similar in
mortality and incidence, but that somewhat more years are probably lost
to breast cancer due to the earlier age at diagnosis. Overall, they are
remarkably similar in ‘badness’ I’d say though not in publicity!
-Steve Dunn