Put up or shut up, put your fax number on the board and I will send my
medical records out to you. Well you chicken shit you are afraid to do
it, than shut the fuck up. I am a cancer patient and will send my
records to anyone who has an open mind not you bastards who are only
interested in looking for negatives. By not putting up a fax number you
all show your true colors. Call my bluff, once and for all, am I a
cancer patient, or a scammer? What’s a matter yellow belly afraid of the
truth? I’m not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, No one will do this because
after you find out that I ama cancer patient who wants to share
treatment information, you will have nothing to say!
I don’t think you need to violate your medical confidentiality. However, you
could ask your physician to write and post a brief note documenting these
issues.
I would be happy to accept a note from any Phila. oncologist that you were
cured of cancer by soy extract, etc. as adequate proof. If your physician
didn’t want to post something, he/she could mail it to my office (the
address in on the Penn. Med. Society Web Page which I list soley as a means
of demonstrating that I really am a board-certified cancer doc).
As I’m not looking to make money from this newsgroup, I’m not asking you to
allow me to examen you or provide any other professional opinion..
I don’t think that the nastyness seen in several recent posts is appropriate
for anyone.
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From: Gal…@webtv.net (WillIam Samueli) Re: ACS acknowledges
alternative treatments / Samueli scam
Put up or shut up, put your fax number on the board and I will send my
medical records out to you. Well you chicken shit you are afraid to do
it, than shut the fuck up. I am a cancer patient and will send my
records to anyone who has an open mind not you bastards who are only
interested in looking for negatives.
……………………………..
Hey looks like Samueli finally learned how to use his spell-checker. Now
you are just a foul mouthed scammer trying to profit off of cancer
patients, instead of a vulgar scammer trying to profit off cancer
patients who can’t even spell alternative.
"WillIam Samueli" <Gal…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:26583-3876010E-237@storefull-126.bryant.webtv.net…
> Put up or shut up, put your fax number on the board and I will send my
> medical records out to you. Well you chicken shit you are afraid to do
> it, than shut the fuck up. I am a cancer patient and will send my
> records to anyone who has an open mind not you bastards who are only
> interested in looking for negatives. By not putting up a fax number you
> all show your true colors. Call my bluff, once and for all, am I a
> cancer patient, or a scammer? What’s a matter yellow belly afraid of the
> truth? I’m not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, No one will do this because
> after you find out that I ama cancer patient who wants to share
> treatment information, you will have nothing to say!
What has "Dorrance" got to say about this, William?
Yeah, yata, yata, yata, where is your fax number chicken shit, stick to
the point. I can’t spell, I’m a dirty Jew, what else do you want to call
me, but you can’t call me a scammer until someone on this board has the
balls to put up a fax number. ow who will it be? Herr Steph, think not,
his gender is already in question, Don, no, his is Steph’s lover, no
balls there. User, no her is only looking for ways to insult me but
never looking for the truth. How about the good doctor, now here is a
chance to redeem himself as a Jew, if he really is a Jew than he will
give a fellow Jew a chance, I am sure the doctor has a fax, if he is a
doctor, than as a medical man he would want to settle the argument once
and for all, well Doc, if it looks like and duck and quacks like a duck
than it is a "Quack"
"WillIam Samueli" <Gal…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5428-38763B14-8@storefull-123.iap.bryant.webtv.net…
> Yeah, yata, yata, yata, where is your fax number chicken shit, stick to
> the point. I can’t spell, I’m a dirty Jew, what else do you want to call
> me, but you can’t call me a scammer until someone on this board has the
> balls to put up a fax number. ow who will it be? Herr Steph, think not,
> his gender is already in question, Don, no, his is Steph’s lover, no
> balls there. User, no her is only looking for ways to insult me but
> never looking for the truth. How about the good doctor, now here is a
> chance to redeem himself as a Jew, if he really is a Jew than he will
> give a fellow Jew a chance, I am sure the doctor has a fax, if he is a
> doctor, than as a medical man he would want to settle the argument once
> and for all, well Doc, if it looks like and duck and quacks like a duck
> than it is a "Quack"
The only racist, sexist, intolerant child around here, Willy, is you.
Hey genius, Dorrance has a computer and could have just posted from his
computer if he has something to hide, he gave his computer
address–Dor…@netscape.net So if was Dorrance and was trying to hide
my identity why didn’t I just post from a computer and not put up red
flag by using that Deja thing. If had a computer and wanted to play the
games you accuse me of would use it and not Deja tv. Here is the
question for all you detectives out there, can you have a netscape
e-mail address on Bill Gate’s Web tv? Yes that is the same Netscape that
testified against MFST in court. Mean while back at the ranch we are
still side stepping to question, who has the balls to call my bluff and
put a fax number on the board. Steph or should I call you what Don and
Lance call you , Stephie, we knew yo didn’t have the balls, after he
dorrance thing is over, what excuse will you then use to avoid the
issue , let’s just say that win by default, no one rally wants to find
out that I am a cancer patient, do they? Well in the words of that
ancient Greek, I’ll never find anyone really looking for the truth on
this board, so I might as well put out my lantern and go home.
I almost forgot the essence of this post, which is the ACS invited
Haelan Products to make a presentation. Yes I said the American Cancer
Society, that body that has snake oil companies appear before it and
sends out spamming information. You guys really crack me up. The ACS
has been one of he toughest groups on Alternative medical products, and
after researching Haelan they wanted to hear more about the product. Now
don’t respond to this post, our priority is to find someone who is man
enough or even women enough to have me fax them my records. It’s a good
thing you guys weren’t with Patton in France, we would all be talking
German by now. "A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero dies but once"
Well were are all you heroes?
"WillIam Samueli" <Gal…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5430-3876447B-1@storefull-123.iap.bryant.webtv.net…
> Well in the words of that
> ancient Greek, I’ll never find anyone really looking for the truth on
> this board, so I might as well put out my lantern and go home.
We wish
"WillIam Samueli" <Gal…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5428-38764B12-11@storefull-123.iap.bryant.webtv.net…
> I almost forgot the essence of this post, which is the ACS invited
> Haelan Products to make a presentation. Yes I said the American Cancer
> Society, that body that has snake oil companies appear before it and
> sends out spamming information. You guys really crack me up. The ACS
> has been one of he toughest groups on Alternative medical products, and
> after researching Haelan they wanted to hear more about the product. Now
> don’t respond to this post, our priority is to find someone who is man
> enough or even women enough to have me fax them my records. It’s a good
> thing you guys weren’t with Patton in France, we would all be talking
> German by now. "A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero dies but once"
> Well were are all you heroes?
I knew it was too good to be true
Steph, have you no shame? even the women on this board have more balls
than you. Be a man, take up the challenge and say here is my fax number,
send me your records, if you have any, and I will expose you as a cheat,
a fraud, and a charlatan, and not a nice person. I Steph, the boy from
the hills of Canada will prove to everyone on this board that you are
not a cancer patient, but instead a healthy guy who preys on cancer
patients, I called up the ACS and spoke to the Chairmen, and he never
heard of Haelan, I called the Cancer society in Japan and they never
hear of mushrooms. Steph, when are you going to flash into actions, you
are the leader, we are waiting, don’t make us wait to long, for we will
tag you for the pussy that we suspect you are, prove me wrong, put up
that number you chicken shit
Gosh, I don’t know what to say. This is the first time Bill
has mentioned me by name.
Lance
> put a fax number on the board. Steph or should I call you
what Don and
> Lance call you , Stephie, we knew yo didn’t have the balls,
after he
"WillIam Samueli" <Gal…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5426-387667BA-53@storefull-123.iap.bryant.webtv.net…
> Steph, have you no shame? even the women on this board have more balls
> than you. Be a man, take up the challenge and say here is my fax number,
> send me your records, if you have any, and I will expose you as a cheat,
> a fraud, and a charlatan, and not a nice person. I Steph, the boy from
> the hills of Canada will prove to everyone on this board that you are
> not a cancer patient, but instead a healthy guy who preys on cancer
> patients, I called up the ACS and spoke to the Chairmen, and he never
> heard of Haelan, I called the Cancer society in Japan and they never
> hear of mushrooms. Steph, when are you going to flash into actions, you
> are the leader, we are waiting, don’t make us wait to long, for we will
> tag you for the pussy that we suspect you are, prove me wrong, put up
> that number you chicken shit
William, your dribble is getting more and more incoherent. I didn’t even
understand half of the above.
Calm down, or you’ll get an apoplexy.
You may well be a cancer patient, William, and I’m happy to take your word
for it without seeing your medical records.
That doesn’t mean that Haelan works, or that the ACS supports Haelan, and it
doesn’t mean you have any right to come peddling your wares. Separate out
the issues, William, I know you can do it if you concentrate.
As for your opinion that I’m a "cheat, a fraud and a charlatan", and your
repeated accusations of racism or antisemitism, it’s like the rest of the
things you seem to believe – based on no evidence whatsoever.
Get a grip.
Get that number up pussy
>I almost forgot the essence of this post, which is the ACS invited
>Haelan Products to make a presentation.
My husband drank one bottle of Haelan 85 from China, everyday, and then from
Louisiana, Haelan 95 for a total of nine months @ $30.00 a day. Also had the
conventional treatments of chemo and radiation. He passed away from lung
cancer May 9, 1998 . It was too good to be true when we saw the video of what
this product does in just a week or so…..we fell for it and also emptied our
bank account in the process. But when dealing with cancer, you feel you are
darned if you do and darned if you don`t. And it`s just the way it is. We
want to do everything for our loved one. But people trying to make a fortune
should not take advantage of someone desperate. IMHO
Elva
"Elva4" <el…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000108122705.29800.00000812@ng-fe1.aol.com…
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> >I almost forgot the essence of this post, which is the ACS invited
> >Haelan Products to make a presentation.
> My husband drank one bottle of Haelan 85 from China, everyday, and then
from
> Louisiana, Haelan 95 for a total of nine months @ $30.00 a day. Also had
the
> conventional treatments of chemo and radiation. He passed away from lung
> cancer May 9, 1998 . It was too good to be true when we saw the video of
what
> this product does in just a week or so…..we fell for it and also emptied
our
> bank account in the process. But when dealing with cancer, you feel you
are
> darned if you do and darned if you don`t. And it`s just the way it is.
We
> want to do everything for our loved one. But people trying to make a
fortune
> should not take advantage of someone desperate. IMHO
Unfortunately, Elva, the world seems to be full of such people
Tell Elva to get the name straight, it’s Haelan 851 and 951. It that
your aunt Elva Steph? Funny just when I press you for a phone number
good old aunt Elva appears. If there ia an Elva tell her that you take a
bottle a day for only 40 days not 60 months. If you get the tape it will
tell you this. The next time you put some one up to lying about Haelan
try to get the facts straight. Second we know that Chemo and Radiation
kill thousands of cancer patients every year. Only 15% of patients have
success, which mean the other 85% die. Would I recommend that patients
stop their chemo because 85% are not successful, I think not. We know
nothing about Elva’s husband(if there is a Elva) What was his condition
when he started taking Haelan? Haelan wouldn’t bring the dead back to
life. Did he take the recommended supplements with Haelan? Just like
Chemo, Radiation and Surgery, Haelan wouldn’t cure everyone. Is there
any conventional treatment that says we will guarantee a cure? We all
know patients that died taking conventional treatments, does that mean
we shouldn’t take them? Meanwhile Steph you owe me a fax number, don’t
try to weasel out of it again with aunt Elva
You are great at playing with figures, I have a letter from a cancer
nurse who’s mother is being helped with Haelan.She claims 15% and she
goes by real hospital deaths, and she has burried enough people, do you
want to see the e-mail?? Where is that number?
"WillIam Samueli" <Gal…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21972-3877C1F0-1@storefull-123.iap.bryant.webtv.net…
> Second we know that Chemo and Radiation kill thousands of cancer patients
every year. Only 15%
> of patients have success, which mean the other 85% die.
Where did you get this gibberish from, Willy?
95% of all non-melanoma skin cancers are cured, so we usually leave them out
of the stats to be fair to people like you who find data a bit boring.
Approximately 50% (45% to 55% depending on the papers you look at) of
patients with cancers other than non-melanoma skin cancers are cured by
surgery (about 25%), radiotherapy (about 20%) or chemotherapy (about 5%),
alone or in combination.
Give your close friends at the ACS a call, and they can confirm these
figures. Ansd apparently they will at least listen to anyone.
What does Dorrance have to say, Willy?
"WillIam Samueli" <Gal…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21972-3877EC4B-10@storefull-123.iap.bryant.webtv.net…
> You are great at playing with figures, I have a letter from a cancer
> nurse who’s mother is being helped with Haelan.She claims 15% and she
> goes by real hospital deaths, and she has burried enough people, do you
> want to see the e-mail?? Where is that number?
Forgive me, William, if I’d known that your objective, impeccable source was
a "a cancer nurse who’s mother is being helped with Haelan", I wouldn’t have
doubted your figures for a minute.
Do you have any books in your house?
Yes and the figures I read were that only about 3% of bladder cancer
patients like myself live more than 5 years after taking CHEMO. I am
willing to call for a truce and really discuss things with you in an
open objective honest way if you are. As a cancer patient, and you know
that I am, I am interested in finding out the best ways of treating
cancer. I will acquiesce first by saying the best treatment is surgery
if you can discover cancer fast enough. I would be willing to answer
your concerns honestly and openly. Speaking about books try reading The
Simple Soybean, by Mark Messina. There is just overwhelming evidence
that soy fights cancer. Read the NCI study. To say a soy product is
scam is inane and I would expect a more cogent argument from a
perspicacious guy like yourself. This fighting is disrupting the boards.
Haelan is no magic bullet, it is only an adjunct to a certain type of
regimen. If you continue to smoke and eat a lot of sugars Haelan
wouldn’t help. It’s a new year, let’s talk, really talk, but no insults,
or we will have to revert back to business as usual. As a cancer
patient, I spent many hours reading and trying to make the right choice.
It was very difficult. I even went to Robert Atkins. When it really
comes down to it you have the make the choice yourself. I tried many
treatments before Haelan. Get Dr Lorraine Day’s information, she is a MD
who went alternative. She even has pictures of her tumor on her site. I
have been a giver all my life, and I highly resent someone inferring
that I was connected with something that wasn’t Kosher. There are
products out there that are scams like the Aim company. Anyway the ball
is in your corner, I am willing to discuss not insult, or you?
William, I’m more than happy to call a truce, if you stop trying to sell
your stuff here, and you stop making outrageous claims about what it can do,
and you stop suggesting that the ACS or any other respected cancer
organisation supports Healan or soybean therapy, as they don’t.
"WillIam Samueli" <Gal…@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Yes and the figures I read were that only about 3% of bladder cancer
> patients like myself live more than 5 years after taking CHEMO. I am
> willing to call for a truce and really discuss things with you in an
> open objective honest way if you are. As a cancer patient, and you know
> that I am, I am interested in finding out the best ways of treating
> cancer. I will acquiesce first by saying the best treatment is surgery
> if you can discover cancer fast enough. I would be willing to answer
> your concerns honestly and openly. Speaking about books try reading The
> Simple Soybean, by Mark Messina. There is just overwhelming evidence
> that soy fights cancer. Read the NCI study. To say a soy product is
> scam is inane and I would expect a more cogent argument from a
> perspicacious guy like yourself. This fighting is disrupting the boards.
> Haelan is no magic bullet, it is only an adjunct to a certain type of
> regimen. If you continue to smoke and eat a lot of sugars Haelan
> wouldn’t help. It’s a new year, let’s talk, really talk, but no insults,
> or we will have to revert back to business as usual. As a cancer
> patient, I spent many hours reading and trying to make the right choice.
> It was very difficult. I even went to Robert Atkins. When it really
> comes down to it you have the make the choice yourself. I tried many
> treatments before Haelan. Get Dr Lorraine Day’s information, she is a MD
> who went alternative. She even has pictures of her tumor on her site. I
> have been a giver all my life, and I highly resent someone inferring
> that I was connected with something that wasn’t Kosher. There are
> products out there that are scams like the Aim company. Anyway the ball
> is in your corner, I am willing to discuss not insult, or you?
This last post of Will’s is one of the more reasonable posts in the last
two weeks on this board. I’ll try to add some facts and where I fit
alternative regimens into my chemo.
1. Bladder cancer is a family of diseases ranging from minimally invasive
papillary tumors (usually cured by transuretheral resection though they
often recur) through poorly differentiated invasive tumors. In most cases,
the pathology is "transitional cell" but for Egyptians afflicted with a
parasitic infection (Schistosomiasis) one sees a squamous cell morphology.
For poorly differentiated tumors, the degree of invasion through the bladder
wall is a critical feature. The last time I looked in DaVita’s Cancer
Management, less than 50% of patients with muscle invasive disease were
cured by radical surgery. Slightly better survival (65% five year disease
free survival) is quoted by Dr. Skinner in "Bladder Sparing Debate, Great
Chicago Shootout" available on http://www.cancernetwork.com. In the same article
(and there are several articles on bladder cancer available) 54% treated
with chemo/radiation in an effort to prevent radical cystectomy were alive
and disease free five years later, indicating that chemo is active in this
disease. I’ve had very good success with combined modality therapy for
locally advanced bladder cancer, and even cures in some patients with
distant metastasis.
2. Chemotherapy is often difficult for patients to tolerate, particularly
regimens like m-vad (the standard regimen used in advanced bladder cancer).
Alternative therapies can lesson the toxicity, and help patients tolerate
therapy. Potentially useful agents include Essiac tea as an antinauseant,
St. Johns Wart (depression is a common problem in cancer), but regimens must
be taken with care. Some alternative drugs are MAO inhibitors and can cause
severe complications (for example, the "rocket fuel" used to promote caloric
intake). Antioxidants may decrease the activity of radiation.
While it is reasonable, harmless, and potentially helpful to add alternative
medicine to standard care, sometimes it just goes too far. Some regimens
(like coffee enemas, etc.) are promulgated as curing alternatives to
standard therapy. I know, as a medical scientist that chemotherapy will not
cure every cancer. To see a patient, in the name of "hope" spend their last
days and last dollars on a hoax is cruel. And to see a patient go from
curable to incurable because they wasted six months in some nonstandard
clinic is worse.
Soy extracts vary tremeondously in their composition. Many contain
phytoestrogens with some progesteronic activity as well. Hormones have long
been recognized for their value in increasing caloric intake (the HIV
community pushed the acceptance of high dose MEGACE on the stodgier members
of the medical community, and the use of androgens to improve caloric intake
goes back to Brodsky and Roda, Cancer Chemotherapy III, 1980
In short, it would seem that Will has had a good result from standard
therapy supplements with a soy based regimen. Am I correct Will ?? It should
be noted that I’m extrapolating from Will’s letters since I haven’t reviewed
his chart.
BTW, the American Society of Clinical Oncology plans a session on
alternative therapy at it’s next meeting.
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the advice of his/her personal physician.
Note that in answering an electronicly posted question, I am NOT creating a
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