My friend has the breast cancer, stage II, she is under the chemotherapy.
I learned the Essiac in the http://essiac-info.org,
my question is, does anybody try it or know anyone
ever tried the Essiac and it works ?
Or anyone know about the Essiac ? Tell me more…
Thank you very much.
c00jh…@pavo066.nchc.gov.tw wrote:
> My friend has the breast cancer, stage II, she is under the chemotherapy.
> I learned the Essiac in the http://essiac-info.org,
> my question is, does anybody try it or know anyone
> ever tried the Essiac and it works ?
> Or anyone know about the Essiac ? Tell me more…
> Thank you very much.
In my patients, Essiac has had some benefit in reducing the side effects of
chemotherapy. I would not consider it an effective "anticancer" drug.
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<c00jh…@pavo066.nchc.gov.tw> wrote:
> My friend has the breast cancer, stage II, she is under the
chemotherapy.
> I learned the Essiac in the http://essiac-info.org,
> my question is, does anybody try it or know anyone
> ever tried the Essiac and it works ?
> Or anyone know about the Essiac ? Tell me more…
> Thank you very much.
Hi,
I had success against stage IV lung cancer and essiac was one of several
alternatives I used in addition to chemo, so there is no way to know
what combination worked for me. When I first learned of essiac, I talked
to a man who had been treated for colon cancer cancer with surgery and
chemo, but the cancer had spread to his liver and prostate. Doctors at
City of Hope operated to implant tubes to deliver chemo directly to his
tumors, but found so many tumors on his liver that they closed him up
and told him he had only a short time to live. He began using essiac
twice a day. When I spoke to him, it was 4 years later and he was still
fine, living in a retirement home and jogging everyday, and still
taking his essiac.
In another case, my stepson’s neighbor had a baseball sized lung tumor
which was growing larger after several chemo treatments. He was given a
short time to live, began drinking essiac in fairly large doses and
noticed his continual coughing cleared up, and after several weeks his
tumor had shrunk to the size of a marble. It continued to shrink and
after several months my stepson told me his neighbor was in remission.
There are many essiac testimonials on various commercial sites on the
web. The problem with all these anecdotal stories is that you never hear
about the cases that didn’t work, so there is no way to determine the
percentage of successes. I personally think that essiac can be effective
for some people, and my scientific curiosity wants to know what
percentage of patients is helped. I have no hidden agendas, and I am not
selling anything. I am in a unique position, because since I first
posted my story on the internet in January, 1999, I have heard from
hundreds who read my story and are trying some or all of the
alternatives that I used successfully. Some of these people have since
died, but I have heard of some successes. I intend to send a
questionaire/survey to all who have contacted me, and perhaps finally
will get a better idea of what percentage is helped, be it easing of
chemo side effects or shrinking of tumors. When this project is done I
will post the survey results on my web pages at:
http://essiac-info.org/Bob.html
The federal government is also studying cancer alternative therapies at
the University of Texas Center for Alternative Medicine. They are
currently doing a pattern of use study on Flor-essence brand of essiac.
Choosing a comercial brand was necessary to make sure all people in the
survey were using the same concentrations of the same herbs. When their
results are ready, you can read them at their website at:
http://www.sph.uth.tmc.edu/utcam
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In article <84sp45$vf…@nnrp1.deja.com>, <bob…@my-deja.com> wrote:
>There are many essiac testimonials on various commercial sites on the
>web. The problem with all these anecdotal stories is that you never hear
>about the cases that didn’t work, so there is no way to determine the
>percentage of successes.
That’s true, and is one reason that somebody should set up a clearinghouse
to record ALL cases, with both good and bad outcomes, for both conventional
and alternative therapies. Such a database would end a lot of arguments
about what works and what doesn’t.
>I personally think that essiac can be effective
>for some people, and my scientific curiosity wants to know what
>percentage of patients is helped.
I would like to know that, but I also think it’s time the human race started
to get beyond such a dumb use of statistics, and started to try to figure
out WHY something works when it does and WHY NOT when it doesn’t. Only
with that deeper level of knowledge can we start refining ALL these
"unproven" treatments (not to mention the conventional ones that also
don’t work for many patients) and know how to select ahead of time what
WILL work for a particular patient.
There is progress in that direction in mainstream medicine, but health
care will never truly be as effective as it can be until we start making
use of the same kind of knowledge for all these other method such as diet,
Cone’s method, Essiac, flax oil, and whatever.
>… I intend to send a
>questionaire/survey to all who have contacted me, and perhaps finally
>will get a better idea of what percentage is helped, be it easing of
>chemo side effects or shrinking of tumors. When this project is done I
>will post the survey results on my web pages at:
>http://essiac-info.org/Bob.html
GOOD FOR YOU!!! I think this is a very worthwhile project, which should
be expanded to include many methods other than just Essiac, for the reasons
cited above.
You could ALMOST CERTAINLY get Federal funding for such an expanded
project, perhaps through the SBIR program, which is pretty easy to apply
for (25-page proposal max.).
>The federal government is also studying cancer alternative therapies at
>the University of Texas Center for Alternative Medicine. They are
>currently doing a pattern of use study on Flor-essence brand of essiac.
>Choosing a comercial brand was necessary to make sure all people in the
>survey were using the same concentrations of the same herbs.
That’s good news and bad news. Good news that the study is being done,
but bad news that the brand of Essiac chosen was not the one that uses
the "real" recipe as handed down by nurse Renee Caisse, according to
my sources. That one went to the Resperin Corporation. Ideally, the study
should at least test the real thing, and maybe better yet, test any major
variations on the theme that have a substantial following. That could be
made consistent with their scientific objectives as long as the brand used
was randomized and was recorded as part of the experimental data so it
could be correlated with outcomes.
>When their results are ready, you can read them at their website at:
>http://www.sph.uth.tmc.edu/utcam
Interesting post. Thanks!
-John S.,
Wellesley Hills, MA USA
There seem to be several threads on essiac within Deja.com. Since I got
no reply, I assume they aren’t connected and aren’t all read. Sorry
for the redundancy if that is not the case.
I just made up a first batch of Essiac tea, and I’d like to see if
anybody would like to discuss the formula and preparation, as well as
what to expect when you drink this. If you do not have cancer, and try
out the cancer dosage on yourself, should there be any effects that are
not the same as they would be if you did have cancer? I guess an
associated question would be about legality. If you make some up for a
friend who has cancer and give it to him, does this constitute
"practicing medicine without a license" or some other problematic issue?
This recipe was given to me by an indigenous medicine man from Mexico
who travels the world conducting spiritual ceremonies. As a traditional
herbal and spiritual healer, he expresses dismay at the "industry of
pain" that big business health care seems to be, and so has been passing
out this recipe for free, since he was warned against selling it. He
believes passionately that it works, and that for those it doesn’t save,
it lessens the pain.
The tea I made up looks like Lipton’s orange pekoe in color and has a
taste that is mostly pleasant, like a Celestial Seasonings blend, but
with a suggestion of roots and earth. The fluid is clear, with a fine
settled sediment from fiber material that went through the sieve. I
only had a 1 gallon stainless steel pot, so I portioned the quantity. I
also used a crockpot instead of a stainless pot to strain the mixture
out of and back into, the original cooking pot.
Does anybody out there know if such minor details make a difference?
Here is the formula:
Dry Ingredients
6 1/2 Cup Burdock Rootcut (Arctium lappa)
16 oz. Sheep Sorrel Herbpowdered (Rumex Acetosella)
1 oz. Turkey Rhubarb Rootpowdered (Rheum Palmettum)
4 oz. Slippery Elm Barkpowdered (Lilmus Fulva)
Wet Ingredients
2 gal. Sodiumfree distilled water
Supplies
4 gal. Stainless steel pot, with lid
3 gal. Stainless steel pot, with lid
Stainless steel fine mesh double strainer
Stainless steel funnel
Stainless steel spatula
12 or more 16 oz Amber glass bottles with airtight caps
Measuring cup
Kitchen scale with ounce measurements
Preparation
1. Mix dry ingredients thoroughly by placing herb contents in plastic
bag & shake
vigorously.
2. Bring sodiumfree distilled water to a rolling boil in 4 gallon pot
with lid on (approx. 30
minutes at sea level).
3. Stir in 1 c. of dry ingredients, replace lid & continue boiling for
10 minutes. (Store
remainder of herbs in a cool dark place; herbs are light
sensitive.)
4. Turn off stove. Scrape down sides of pot with spatula & stir
mixture thoroughly
replace lid.
5. Allow pot to remain closed for 12 hours; then turn stove to highest
setting & heat to
almost boil, approximately 20 minutes. (DO NOT LET MIXTURE
BOIL)
6. Turn off stove. Strain liquid into 3 gallon pot. Clean 4 gallon pot
& strainer. Then strain
filtered liquid back into 4 gallon pot. 7. Use funnel to pour hot
liquid into sterilized bottles
immediately, taking care to tighten caps. Allows bottles to
cool; then tighten
caps again.
8. Refrigerate. The Formula contains no preservative agents. If mold
should develop,
discard immediately.
CAUTION: All bottles & caps must be sterilized after use if you plan
to reuse them for the
Formula. Bottle caps must be washed & rinsed thoroughly, & may be
cleaned with a 3%
solution of food grade hydrogen peroxide in water.
To make 3% solution, mix 1 oz. Of 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide with
11 oz. Of
sodiumfree distilled water. Let soak for 5 minutes, rinse & dry. (If
food grade hydrogen
peroxide is not available, use 1/2 tsp. Clorox to 1 gallon of distilled
water.)
Directions for Use as a Preventative
Shake the bottle. Take 4 Tbs. (2 oz.) of Formula, cold from
the bottle or heated. Take at bedtime on an empty stomach, at least 2
hrs. after eating.
Do NOT microwave.
DIRECTIONS FOR USE CANCER
Take 4 Tbs. (2 oz.) of the Formula twice daily. In the morning,
you can eat 5 minutes after taking the Formula.
At bedtime, on an empty stomach, at least 2 hrs. after eating.
NOTE: If you have stomach cancer, the Formula must be diluted with an
equal amount of sodium free distilled water.
ALSO: I was told by the herb shop clerk where I bought the herbs, that
taking more than 4 ounces a day would result in diarrhea.
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Hi, can you tell me how much my dad would need to drink of the essiac per
day? He has lymphoma. Today was the first day he’s tried it. He had 6oz.
of it. Does he need more per day? Also, is there anything he can use to
sweeten it?
Thanks so much
Sorry to hear about your dad’s lymphoma. In my previous post, I
included the dosage recommended in the formula. I don’t think
you are supposed to adulterate the tea with sugar or sweetener.
But then, I’m not sure who really knows who is willing to be
exposed publicly on the subject, even with a pseudonym.
Unfortunately, this discussion thread seems all screwy. There
seem to be a lot of posts, but they aren’t connected or organized so
that you can make sense of them like many other threads can be
followed.
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Before you buy.
We had good luck with it on our 14 year old cat tha had two carcenomas and
was given a 40% chance of survival after surgery. She’s doing good after
nearly a year.
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>Sorry to hear about your dad’s lymphoma. In my previous post, I
>included the dosage recommended in the formula. I don’t think
>you are supposed to adulterate the tea with sugar or sweetener.
>But then, I’m not sure who really knows who is willing to be
>exposed publicly on the subject, even with a pseudonym.
>Unfortunately, this discussion thread seems all screwy. There
>seem to be a lot of posts, but they aren’t connected or organized so
>that you can make sense of them like many other threads can be
>followed.
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
what is the recommended dosage?
Rod H
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poet6…@my-deja.com wrote:
> Sorry to hear about your dad’s lymphoma. In my previous post, I
> included the dosage recommended in the formula. I don’t think
> you are supposed to adulterate the tea with sugar or sweetener.
> But then, I’m not sure who really knows who is willing to be
> exposed publicly on the subject, even with a pseudonym.
> Unfortunately, this discussion thread seems all screwy. There
> seem to be a lot of posts, but they aren’t connected or organized so
> that you can make sense of them like many other threads can be
> followed.
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
what is the recommended dosage?
Rod H
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poet6…@my-deja.com wrote:
> Sorry to hear about your dad’s lymphoma. In my previous post, I
> included the dosage recommended in the formula. I don’t think
> you are supposed to adulterate the tea with sugar or sweetener.